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Bait-buying habits are hard to break, especially after the glory salmon years of 2013, 2014, and 2015.

Definitely got carried away with frozen herring in 2016, so I ratcheted down for 2017. Bottom line is if ya ain’t gettin’ bit, ya ain’t burnin’ bait. Got a buddy who gave up after an even worse 2017 season, so to soften the blow, I bought a case of his unused red label baits after he quit on Labor Day. After all, I still had another 6 weeks left to fish…. surely I’d use most if not all of ’em.

Bad decision… my estuary troll season was so lackluster that I only limited the boat once. I barely burned half that extra case in cut baits and still had leftovers from my original preferred stock for whole baits.

Ratchet the bait order downward again for 2018, and whoa…. still ended up with leftovers.

DITTO for 2019… even when I disciplined myself to buy only ONE new case of frozen herring in late August. Probably have close to half of ’em leftover to start my springer season. Oh wait… what springer season?

I’ve always felt horribly guilty about wasted bait…. after all, every bait wasted is one less available to sustain an already depleted salmon population. But this is getting ridiculous. Yes, the troll-quality rejects do get recycled into crab bait and shrimp bait; chunks for tipping bottomfish jigs; even bait wraps for Kwiks. But even after all that, there’s still too much. Still have 15 trays of worthless reds from TWO seasons ago.

So 2020 is here and I’m making a pledge to NOT buy more than half a case to start the season… and just buy extra at full fare as I go along. I’d still be money ahead.

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You need to go to the SSS later this month and hash this out with Gene and crew.

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Old freezer herring make great lingcod and crab bait. Every time I have leftover herring from a salmon trip, I’ll salt them, throw them in a gallon ziploc, and put them in the bait freezer for an ocean trip. Lings and crab are not picky.

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How do you rig whole dead herring for ling cod bait?

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How do you rig whole dead herring for ling cod bait?

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Sursild – Pickled herring Norwegian style.

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How do you rig whole dead herring for ling cod bait?

Two hook mooching rig just dragged along the bottom. No flasher. Just dropper sinker, leader and hooks.

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Francis I buy a case then divvy it out for a small fee. I have 2 parties that normally take half which leaves me with a half. I had zero bait left after buoy 10 but I also had 10 Springers days last year. This year I’ll be happy if I get 5 Springer days.

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Have caught so many fish on leftover bait, one season to another, stopped worrying about fresh. Presentation means everything. Sometimes sell, other times give away, it all catches fish.

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Dry aged bait.

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How do you rig whole dead herring for ling cod bait?

mooching rig, 5/0 – 7/0 hooks, put one in the head and one in the body.

Sometimes I like to use some magic thread to help hold it all together.

Lingcod dont care about presentation. Is it meat? if yes, then attack. It doesnt have to spin, you dont have to plug cut the herring, just put it on the hooks and send it to the bottom.

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Yep, if it’s got a scale left on it that will flicker and wobble in the water to catch that eye of the ol salmon, it will catch. Also when people say old freezer burned herring is good crab bait, nuh uh, crabs won’t touch it

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What’s wasted bait? I have never had bait left over. Last year I had like 10 trays? Used them for bottom fish, always a use for bait.

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Something I’ve done with quite a bit of success is use my old, refrozen herring as crab bait. Works great, and you’re not being wasteful!

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For the first time since I bought a sled in 2003, I didn’t buy herring this Dec.

Don’t plan on fishing springers.

Unless something changes, there will be no summer season. And if there is, it’s 75% unclipped.

If I do B10 (Not a fan for my own reasons), I’ll just get a few trays at BiMart. Or use hardware.

I’ll wobble local URBs until they close it down.

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I could be missing something… but translate wasted bait hundreds and a thousand times over… big impact on the food chain? Sorta like sorting thru bright fall fish to keep hens so you steal eggs for bait. I’ve seen it done many times

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If your bait is still in their vacuum pack and frozen, why wouldn’t you use them? I just checked the eight trays of herring I have left over from summer/fall and they all looked fine to me. Since I brine all my baits anyway, is there really a big difference in the “catchability” of the left over bait?

I tend to buy a few trays at a time since living in Seattle means there aren’t a lot of places you can get quality frozen herring (without having to slog through downtown traffic). Should I be rethinking this strategy?

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Year old bait is NOT the same.

Appearance, texture, durability, and smell have all changed.

Even the best vac-sealed fish for your own consumption has degraded in quality. Your nose and tongue will tell you. Now magnify that ability by 6 orders of magnitude for a salmon’s olfactory prowess.

Yes, brines can mask or enhance those issues to some degree, but it’s still a B grade product at best.

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I guess I didn’t think of it like that. You’re right, fish sitting the freezer tends to depreciate in quality.

My thinking comes mainly from the fact that for an animal who hits spoons, plugs, jigs and (rumored) cut plug hot dogs, I assumed while in the salt or estuary, they’re likely striking more out of aggression that year old bait might still be ok if it was taken care of.

But to your point, I should get some freshly frozen bait a little at a time to make sure all my bases are covered.

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Thanks for bringing this up.

I don’t find myself ever throwing it away, I use it for bottom fishing or crabbing at worst. But it’s easy to view herring as this endless resource, when really we should be conservative with it. I consider it sort of a loss when I use it for crabbing, when I could easily use fish carcasses.

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Fresh, never thawed = Springers

Partially thawed and refrozen, year old = ocean coho, fall Chinook

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OR,

Don’t use bait. Fool em with plastic.

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I’ve always felt horribly guilty about wasted bait…. after all, every bait wasted is one less available to sustain an already depleted salmon population. But this is getting ridiculous.

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Thanks for bringing this up.

… But it’s easy to view herring as this endless resource, when really we should be conservative with it. I consider it sort of a loss when I use it for crabbing, when I could easily use fish carcasses.

From an ecological and food chain perspective, this point should really resonate with everyone.

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Superbaits and spinners. Bought my last bait mid season last year and made the switch to all supers and spinners and will not look back, took a bit to get confidence in them but im all in now. Had some funny looks from guests who have been die hard bait guys for many years, very sceptical til 5 minutes in to the day we had a quad and tbe action never stopped. Im sold now and looking for a bumblebee sponsor

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Superbaits and spinners. Bought my last bait mid season last year and made the switch to all supers and spinners and will not look back, took a bit to get confidence in them but im all in now. Had some funny looks from guests who have been die hard bait guys for many years, very sceptical til 5 minutes in to the day we had a quad and tbe action never stopped. Im sold now and looking for a bumblebee sponsor

OR……..ONE tray of sardines, shoved into super baits will last a week…….

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There was a hot bite in Grays Harbor last Fall. I was following Doc into the hot spot. He had 25 or 30 rods in the water. JOKE

I got my 2 fish in 10 minutes and ran away from the crowd. Super baits stuffed with anchovy.

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I have been grinding my left over baits into a chunky slurry and using it to stuff my super baits, super cut plugs.

Not my wife’s favorite thing to see me do with our food processor…. My tip would be to a) do it when no one is home and b) clean up as though nothing happened. http://www.ifish.net/

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Superbaits and spinners. Bought my last bait mid season last year and made the switch to all supers and spinners and will not look back, took a bit to get confidence in them but im all in now. Had some funny looks from guests who have been die hard bait guys for many years, very sceptical til 5 minutes in to the day we had a quad and tbe action never stopped. Im sold now and looking for a bumblebee sponsor

Early season springers (cold water) and certain sections of the river (structure) still produce better with bait. I haven’t bought a case since I learned to fish 360s; I now pay retail for 5-6 trays at a time.

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Early season springers (cold water) and certain sections of the river (structure) still produce better with bait. I haven’t bought a case since I learned to fish 360s; I now pay retail for 5-6 trays at a time.

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what springers? otherwise yes I do agree with that

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what springers? otherwise yes I do agree with that

You know, those nasty, pale Willamette springers. Obviously, they’re not very good to eat, but I need the practice. Plus, I fully expect about a 3-day opening on the CR from Warrior to Bonneville. You won’t join the aluminum rodeo?

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I’m with Flatfish. Last season I went springer fishing 3 times. I used most of 1 TRAY of Herring in those trips. I fish whole baits so they last a while or use hardware.

Whole BiMart Red labels work, but there need to be fish.

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I’ll buy some from you to use for tuna chum.

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I’ll buy some from you to use for tuna chum.

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I’d definitely go if the Cowlitz ever had fish in it. I got about 40 lbs of eggs ready to go but, like Francis, I’ve not gone through much bait the last few years!

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Cross your fingers……….

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Havent bought a tray in years. Not worth it. I just buy a tray or two at a time and fish them. Probably gonna make the move to super baits and cut plugs. over all way less expensive.

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a scratch and sniff post – noooooo waaaaaayyyyy.

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Bought a case the last 3 years. Very convenient to have the bait in your freezer, the size you want, and the quality. Except for last year went through the case during the season. Had 4 left over trays from last year.

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one could grind up leftover herring and use it in a spot prawn recipe which consists of fish products plus Friskies cat food. Cant wait for May.

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one could grind up leftover herring and use it in a spot prawn recipe which consists of fish products plus Friskies cat food. Cant wait for May.

Can’t wait to go shrimping in May. Anyone ever grind up their own bait?

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mooching rig, 5/0 – 7/0 hooks, put one in the head and one in the body.

Sometimes I like to use some magic thread to help hold it all together.

Lingcod dont care about presentation. Is it meat? if yes, then attack. It doesnt have to spin, you dont have to plug cut the herring, just put it on the hooks and send it to the bottom.

Same here. Ram a hook through frozen body, deploy to bottom.

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Remember when “Smelly Jelly” was in??? I still have a few jars, but recall having epic days just using artificials and sand shrimp scent. Days gone by I guess…..

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I use fresh bait as much as possible when I can get good fresh.

At the end of the day, my leftover fresh goes into brine, and it will last 2-3 days if kept really cold. I had a surprise last minute trip happen two years ago, and hadn’t ordered bait. I took 3 day old anchovies in brine, and some frozen herring. The anchovies were so good that day a friend asked for my leftover 3 day old baits, and he and his daughters caught fish on them for 2 more days.

Last October I had secured a few pounds of fresh leftover from a tuna trip, and did pretty well on silvers in the river. We landed double digits while seeing maybe 3 other fish all day in the 8 or so other boats around us.

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SAME OLD TUNE just a different fishery…..Salish Sea, January 30th 2020 – Ignoring calls for a moratorium by over one hundred thousand Canadians, 53 Vancouver Island municipalities, First Nations groups, local government federations as well as its own scientists, Canada’s Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) has just implemented a Management Plan which may ensure a further collapse of B.C. herring.

Herring in the Strait of Georgia has dwindled by 60% in the last four years. The last of five commercial herring fisheries regions on the West Coast of B.C. is on course to succumb to overfishing and mismanagement, owing to a 20% quota set by DFO and approved on January 29th, in a move seen widely by conservationists as a successful push by the industrial fishing lobby, which contradicts precautionary recommendations (

high potential to over-harvest…which may pose a risk to the stocks”), by DFO’s own scientists.

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I and another boat, put up over 2000 herring and probably have 300 left , but will use these up next.

I am waiting for the run to show up any day, and will hopefully put up another 1500.

We give a some away and don’t waste any, if it doesn’t get brined it gets stuffed in a crab chew bag.

I believe there are 2 real sins, one is run out of gas, and the other is run out of bait.

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